1969 Pontiac GTO Real 242 Vin GTO Judge Clone 428, 4 speed

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I have up for auction my 1969 Pontiac GTO, Judge clone. This car is a real 1969 GTO as determined by the correct 242 VIN. It is NOT a real Judge. It's built as a Judge clone.I recently purchased this car from an out of state buyer. I had a friend of a friend look at it for me and unfortunately, he is not as thorough or as anal as I am about a classic car. To add insult to injury the seller didn't necessarily disclose the things that I asked about. I am not going to do that. I am going to provide you with a thorough/detailed description of the car and answer any additional questions as truthfully as I can because I don't want to rip anyone off. So please read the entire ad.As I said, this car is in fact a true 1969 GTO. From 1966-1971 you could identify a true GTO by the first 3 digits of the VIN #. If a car from 1966-1971 is advertised as a real GTO and it does not have the 242 VIN, it's a fake. This car is NOT a real Judge. It's a Judge clone. It has all the Judge paint scheme, stripes, stickers, etc. It was done well.I'll start off with a thorough description of the paint/body. The body is in fact pretty darn solid. This car was built in Texas and remained a Texas car until 1999. It then was sold to an owner in Georgia, then Indianna, then to me in PA. From what I can see, it appears that the car retains all of the original GM sheetmetal. I took pics of the inside of the quarters from the trunk. The quarters still have the GM stampings. The quarters, doors, and fenders are all straight and solid. The paint shines very nicely. It's painted the 69 color Carousel Red. It's a little bit of an older paint job but I think it was done well. The car was restored/painted in 2019. That being said, there are a few minor flaws in the paint. I see a few small areas where it looks like the prep work wasn't done well and that shows some minor flaws. You do have to be up close on the paint to see it, but it's there. My inspector either didn't see these minor flaws or didn't think that they were worth mentioning and the seller didn't bring them up at all. I do NOT feel that the car needs a repaint. These flaws are only visible when you get up close to the paint.As straight and solid as the body is, the undercarriage appears to be the same. The driver side floors are in near perfect condition. There is a small hole in the passenger side front floor pan about the size of a quarter. I think that a very minor patch could be done as opposed to replacing the entire floor pan. The trunk area is also very solid. Where the trunk pan meets the inner wheel well housing is all solid and rust free. Honestly, for a 56 year old car the body is in pretty darn good shape.The car has a very powerful 1969 428 Pontiac motor that has had some nice work done to it. The motor has a casting number of 9792968 with an engine code of YH. This decodes to a 1969 Pontiac 428 with a factory rating of 360HP. The cylinder heads are the correct for 1969 #62 heads. These heads come back as Ram Air heads on a 400. For 1969 they were available as Ram Air III heads for 400 motors and 360 or 390HP heads for a 428.Here are the details I have on the motor: It's a 69 428 that has been bored .030 over with a forged and balanced rotating assembly. The camshaft is a hydraulic roller cam with the following specs-282 advertised duration, .498" lift, and a 108 LSA (lobe separation angle). It's also got 1.6 roller rockers. The #62 heads have had some minor port work to them. On top of that it runs an HEI distributor, and Edelbrock 2156 Performer intake with a Holley 750 double pumper carburetor. The motor fires right up and has a nice healthy idle with a slight lope to it. It pulls STRONG. I am going to estimate that this motor puts out about 400-450HP. Exhaust gasses exit through a set of long tube headers to a 2.5" exhaust system through Flowmaster 40 series mufflers. The car sounds nasty!All the power runs back through a Muncie M-21 4 speed transmission to a 10 bolt Pontiac factory rear. The seller told me that the rear is a 3:55 posi but I can't seem to read the 2 digit code on the driver side axle tube to confirm that. The drivetrain is very solid. The car pulls strong through the gears. The engine needs a good detailing and a tune up. I have a long list of extra parts that come with the car that I will list at the end of the auction. I have a lot of new parts for the motor.The interior of the car is definitely the weak spot of the car. Let me explain as honestly as possible. For starters, the dash and dash pad are in very nice shape. All lights, turn signals, etc all work. The seats are original from 1969 and need to be re-upholstered. The good news is that I have purchased a complete set of both front and rear seats covers from Legendary Interiors. I also have a brand new set of the plastic seat backs and sides for the seats. The carpet is older and a little tired. If you are removing the seats to re-upholster them, its a perfect time to install a new carpet. The door panels are in nice shape and I wouldn't replace them. It's really just the seats and carpet that need addressing.The car comes with power steering and power brakes. The brakes are disc in the front and drum in the rear. The front and rear suspension is tight. The car doesn't drift all over the road. It runs straight. The wheels and tires are another part of the car that needs addressing. The bottom line is that they're too big. The rear tires and wheels fit OK. They only rub slightly if you go over a speedbump, but the front's rub on turns. They don't prevent you from turning, but they definitely rub. The tires and wheels are 18". The front tires are 245/45/18 and the rear's are 275/40/18. I don't know if the tires are too big or the wheels have the wrong offset. I haven't removed a wheel to measure the offset as of yet. But I'd definitely recommend making a change at wheels/tires.Here are a few other modifications to mention: the hood tach is functional. It works flawlessly. There are a set of aftermarket gauges mounted to the driver side pillar. They both work and read accurately. The car also has a woodgrain steering wheel and the original clutch bypass is still functional. Meaning the car won't start unless the clutch is depressed.Here's the bottom line on the car: I purchased it thinking that it was a turn key, 425HP, 4-speed, GTO that was built as a Judge clone. I probably paid too much. Anyone who knows GTO's knows what a real Judge goes for. Obviously I paid much less. Then I got the car home and saw that the seats needed re-upholstering and that there were some minor flaws in the paint. I was disappointed but decided to move forward. I ordered the new seat covers and a bunch of other new parts for the car. But then after a deeper assessment of the car, I just felt that it needed too many little things for me to move forward. It needs the seats re-upholstered, the carpet replaced, the engine detailed and tuned up, and the wheels and tires changed. That may seem like minor things to some, but I've already most likely overpaid for the car and then spent another $1200-$1500 on extra parts for the car. I work 60-65 hours a week, every week, and I find that I have neither the time, energy, or desire to take this car to the next level.Here's a list of all the extra parts I have for the car:new front and rear seat coversnew front plastic seat backs and sidesnew chrome valve covers with gasketsnew chrome 14" air cleanernew 428-4 air cleaner stickernew HEI plug wiresnew intake gasketsnew 180 degree thermostatnew thermostat housing with gasketnew heater hoses2 new cans of the correct Pontiac metallic blue high temp engine paint1 brand new can of high temp aluminum engine paint to detail the intakeAnd maybe a few small items I missed. My plan was to detail the motor, and do all new belts, hoses, and fuel lines. Then re-upholster the seats and install the new carpet. But as I said, now I find that the wheels and tires need replacing and I'm just feeling that I didn't get the "turn key" car I thought I was buying. So I am listing the car for less than I paid hoping that someone else has the time, energy, or skills to take this car where it deserves to go. With a little bit of work, this car has TONS of potential. It looks good, sounds good, and even runs really well. You just need a few weekends of work to get it ready for car cruise season.Please feel free to ask any additional questions. I will gladly take any additional pics or videos of the car and I welcome an in person inspection of the car. I am listing this car at a fair price knowing that it needs some finishing. Here's your chance to get a 1969 GTO with a 428, and a 4 speed at a very fair price considering what GTO's are bringing these days.The car has a clear PA title in my name and it will not be released or the title turned over until the funds have cleared my bank account. Shipping is 100% on the buyer. I will make myself available to meet with a trucking company.Thanks for looking